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Pre-Season XC 2008

Girls Teams - New York State 2008

Bill Meylan (August 6, 2008)

 

Girls - Potential NY State Meet & Federation Contenders

Pre-season team rankings have problems: ... first, they are usually based on last year's results ... more recent track results may or may not have relevance for the upcoming XC season ... some runners improve (some improve a lot) ... a few runners transfer or quit ... new runners can join a team and make a big difference ... So any pre-season rankings must be viewed in that context.

What good are pre-season rankings?
 (1) a fun topic of conversation during the summer
 (2) beneficial in gathering background information for the upcoming season

Once the XC season starts, I rank individual runners and teams based strictly on performance during the current season ... So pre-season rankings are not used during the season.

For the most part, the teams listing below are just an extension of the 2007 XC season into 2008 ... I removed the graduating seniors and ran a variety of computer simulations with  remaining varsity-JV runners from 2007 ... I made a few selective modifications such as adjusting a few ratings based on track results or prior XC results (but this was kept to a minimum).

Initially, the list included 70+ teams, but I began removing teams with lower scores to make the simulations more manageable ... The final list below could easily contain other teams, but I was interested in certain teams and classes for the upcoming season (so some of the selections are based on my own interest).

Remember ... this list is just an informational starting point at best ... I do it for my own use...

 

 

 Pre-Season Projection -  New York Team Contenders Girls - 2008


        Team                     Score   Section-Class
        ----------------------   -----   -------------
   1    Fayetteville-Manlius      65      (03-AA)
   2    Burnt Hills               90      (02-A )
   3    Saratoga                 175      (02-AA)
   4    Queensbury               180      (02-A )
   5    Shenendehowa             350      (02-AA)
   6    East Aurora              390      (06-B )
   7    Suffern                  440      (01-AA)
   8    Pittsford Mendon         450      (05-A )
   9    Bronxville               470      (01-C )
   10   Arlington                480      (01-AA)
   11   Northport                490      (11-AA)
   12   Guilderland              500      (02-AA)
   13   Ward Melville            510      (11-AA)
   14   Pearl River              520      (01-B )
   15   Colonie                  570      (02-AA)
   16   Greenwich                590      (02-D )
   17   Valley Central           600      (09-AA)
   18   Honeoye Falls-Lima       620      (05-B )
   19   Warwick Valley           625      (09-AA)
   20   Shaker                   640      (02-AA)
   21   Syosset                  680      (08-AA)
   22   Cicero-North Syracuse    710      (03-AA)
   23   Bay Shore                710      (11-AA)
   24   North Shore              720      (08-B )
   25   Canandaigua              730      (05-A )
   26   Holy Names               765      (02-A )
   27   Johnson City             770      (04-B )
   28   Maine-Endwell            770      (04-B )
   29   Fairport                 775      (05-AA)
   30   Tully                    790      (03-C )
   31   Newark Valley            800      (04-C )
   32   East Meadow              810      (08-AA)
   33   Cornwall                 825      (09-A )
   34   Geneva                   840      (05-B )
   35   Monroe-Woodbury          850      (09-AA)
   36   North Rockland           855      (01-AA)
   37   Monticello               855      (09-A )
   38   Liverpool                860      (03-AA)
   39   Baldwinsville            870      (03-AA)
   40   Hilton                   875      (05-AA)
   41   West Seneca West         880      (06-AA)
   42   Broadalbin-Perth         890      (02-B )
   43   St. John Villa           900      (CHSAA)
   44   Niskayuna                920      (02-A )
   45   Horace Greeley           945      (01-A )
   46   Vestal                   950      (04-A )
   47   Ursuline                 995      (01-A )
   48   St. John the Baptist     995      (CHSAA)
   49   Rhinebeck               1000      (09-C )
   50   St. Anthony's           1000      (CHSAA)

 

Where did the scores come from? ... In part, the scores are a composite of computer race simulations using 2007 seasonal speed ratings ... a few speed rating ranges were altered based on track results ... I manually manipulated some numbers (because I wanted to).

Assumption ... In 2008, there is a two-week gap between Federations and the NY-NXN Regional Qualifier (Federations are Nov 15th and Nike NY-NXN is Nov 29th) ... Last year (with no two-week gap), several teams skipped Federations and two of them were rewarded with trips to the NTN Nationals (Burnt Hills, Warwick Valley) ... With the gap this year, I expected all the top teams selected will race at Federations.

Looking at NY State In General ... Fayetteville-Manlius and Burnt Hills are clearly the two top teams entering 2008 ... FM is the defending National champions and should be ranked #1 nationally when the first rankings appear ... Burnt Hills finished 5th at NTN Nationals last year, but were not at full strength due to injuries and sickness (a "healthy" Burnt Hills teams could well have finished 2nd).

According to the numbers in the list above,  a gap exists between the top two teams and next two teams Queensbury and Saratoga ...  Saratoga has a slight advantage in the scores, but at this point, I think Queensbury and Saratoga look even-up all things considered ... Both teams are potential top ten teams at this year's NXN Nationals should they qualify or be selected as at-large teams.

Another gap exists back to Shenendehowa and East Aurora with a smaller gap to a whole group of teams ...  From Suffern (#7) to Pearl River (#14), I can see some separation, but not that much ... Looks fairly even to me with real race results necessary ... Interestingly, four of these teams are in Section 1 (Suffern, Arlington, Bronxville and Pearl River) - Who will be the top Section 1 team?? -  Suffern gets the scoring advantage above, but that advantage in this large simulation is due in part to Shelby Greany scoring a very low number ... To an outsider like me, it looks like a "one-runner" pick-em (any one runner having an exceptionally good or bad race could make or break the team score).

 

Class AA ... Fifteen of the top 23 teams above are Class AA teams (no surprise there) ... Another No Surprise - 5 of those teams are from Section 2 ... Throw in Burnt Hills and Queensbury (Class A teams), and I wonder which Section in NY has the most quality? .... The Top Class AA teams are:

Fayetteville-Manlius
Saratoga
Shenendehowa
Suffern
Arlington
Northport
Guilderland
Ward Melville
Colonie
Valley Central
Warwick Valley

Fayetteville-Manlius ... Defending National Champions ... The stats say it all (quality and depth).

                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Courtney Chapman       10    147    9:48.02    4:46.4
 Mackenzie Carter       11    141    10:12.59   4:34.13
 Molly Malone           11    137    10:13.0    4:36.92
 Hannah Luber           11    142    10:00.60   4:45.02 (indoors)
 Kathryn Buchan         12    133    10:12.68   4:45.97
 Kristen Buchan         11    125    10:52.92   4:56.83 (indoors)
 Meaghan Anklin         12    122    10:53.8      --
 Alexandra Chapman      12    122       --        --
 Katie Sischo           9     ---    10:46.7      --
Saratoga ... Losing Hannah Davidson obviously hurts, but Saratoga is still a very good team (and Saratoga has some young runners that may be very helpful) ... Some stats:
                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Cassie Goutos          11    137    10:08.43   4:43.6
 Sydney King            10    132    10:09.18   4:49.34
 Brianne Bellon         11    121       --        --      (5:03.93 Mile)
 Amanda Borroughs       10    117       --        --      (7:30.17 Steeple)
 Megan Conway           10    115    10:47.03   4:52.61
 Courtney Hayner        11    106    11:16.85     --
 Danielle Marino        10    103    11:29.64     --
 Keelin Hollowood       8     ---    10:39.93   4:57.96

Shenendehowa ... Some stats:

                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Cara Jancezko          11    137    10:12.63   4:41.17
 Lizzie Predmore        9     133    10:05.05   4:37.82
 Meredith Peabody       12    113    10:53.75   5:02.94
 Nicole Irving          11    102       --      4:53.74
 Claire Walling         12    99     11:09.41     --
 Katie Cummings         12    102    11:15.46     --
 Jordan Wescott         11    97     10:39.08   4:54.71   (7:21.30 Steeple)
 Gina Stalica           9     ---    10:53.00   5:02.18
 Alexandra Burtwick     10    ---    10:57.22   4:57.3
 Stefanie Fresenius     11    ---       --      4:57.40
Suffern ... Some stats:
                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Shelby Greany          12    148    9:48.92      --      (4:52.38 1600m; 6:42.86 Steeple)
 Christy Goldman        12    122    10:44.77   4:52.0    (7:13.7 Steeple)
 Ursula Svoboda         10    113       --        --
 Carol Dugandzic        12    99        --      4:54.1
 Tara Nuccitelli        11    97        --        --
 Oliva Muenez           11    90        --        --
 Jana Soares            10    84     10:34.6      --
 Samantha Randazzo      12    74     11:09.6      --      (7:44.4 Steeple)
Arlington ... Some stats:
                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Chelsea Hanson         12    125    10:44.3    5:07.9
 Brianna Service        12    118    10:47.4      --
 Gabriella Gjonaj       11    109    10:44.1    4:55.2
 Carolyn Nasr           12    101       --      5:03.02
 Allison Ryley          11    101    11:58.0      --
 Hayley McMahon         10    92        --      4:49.1
 Josephine Boyle        10    98     11:39.9      --
 Mallory Mecca          11    95     10:55.2    5:15.7
 Rachel Sorna           11    ---       --      4:56.5
 Victoria Sanford       11    ---       --      4:57.1
Northport ... Some stats:
                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Kelly Abbate           11    117       --      4:55.42   (11:32.78 3200m)
 Lianne Farber          11    116       --      4:52.88   (7:18.00 Steeple, 19:32.95 5K)
 Samantha D'Amato       11    111    10:30.30   5:01.66
 Camille D'Amato        9     104    10:50.01   5:13.64   (7:35.26 Steeple)
 Elizabeth Fierro       10    102    11:13.8      --      (7:41.56 Steeple)
 Alex Cerussi           12    91        --        --
 Elizabeth Jerome       11    87        --        --

 

Class A ... Burnt Hills is one of the best teams in the nation ... Queensbury appears capable of finishing top 10 at NXN Nationals ... and only one of them can go to the NY State Meet ... The Top Class A teams are:

Burnt Hills
Queensbury
Pittsford Mendon

Burnt Hills ... By any criteria, Burnt Hills has three top team runners at a national level (Sam Roecker, Molly Pezzulo and Meaghan Gregory), and that puts them in a very select group of teams with a real potential to win the National Championship (FM is member of this select group as well) ... The stats below show that Burnt Hills is a deep team (FM has the advantage at the XC rating level, but after that...) ... I look for "specific markers" that predict potential improvement in track & XC (and in combination with respect to XC) ... Burnt Hills is projecting very high with these markers at potential #4 and #5 runners ... My "play-time" simulations not only have Burnt Hills running even with FM, Burnt Hills was winning simulations out-right ... However, the "real simulations" place FM as the solid favorite because of their demonstrated ability at the #4 through #7 positions in XC ... This season may be more interesting than some observers expect ... Some stats:

                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Sam Roecker            12    151    9:42.16    4:33.92
 Molly Pezzulo          10    144    10:06.44   4:39.13
 Meaghan Gregory        12    131    10:03.48   4:41.05   (6:57.8 Steeple)
 Alyssa Drapeau         9     123    10:55.19   5:14.17
 Rachael Cyrus          11    122    10:29.52   4:51.72   (5:08.3 Mile Relay split)
 Riley Wilk             9     121    10:48.18   5:09.48   (7:36.1 Steeple)
 Rachel Stalker         10    119    10:59.10   5:02.24
 Carolyn Herkenham      12    115    10:36.35   5:07.28
 Kiersten Anderson      12    102    10:42.59   4:55.77
 Lizzie Olsen           12    102    10:47.84   5:00.02
Queensbury ... Carly Wynn could be XC rated in the 130s (she ran several races in the 130s in 2007) which gives Queensbury three top runners with Morgan Muller close behind (that's why Queensbury is a national caliber team) ... Some stats:
                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Danielle Winslow       10    137    10:02.45   4:45.15   (6:56.57 Steeple)
 Brittany Winslow       10    134       --      5:05.2
 Carly Wynn             10    129       --        --
 Morgan Muller          11    125    10:50.39   4:59.34   (7:19.83 Steeple)
 Christen Brambley      11    111    11:08.40   5:14.56
 Katie Messina          12    100    11:21.93     --
 Kristen Lajoie         11    92     11:27.2      --      (7:52.9 Steeple)
 Juliann Lajoie         12    ---    11:05.76     --
 Colleen Meehl          11    ---       --      5:16.22
Pittsford Mendon ... Some stats:
                          XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                          ---------  --------   -------
 Shaylyn Tuite          10    131    10:13.71   4:42.56
 Allie Hallock          9     116    10:28.33   5:02.23   (5:19.79 Mile)
 Morgan Atkins          10    112    10:45.30   4:57.97
 Katherine Hawes        10    106       --        --
 Krista Roncone         9     96     11:16.93   5:10.68
 Rachel Cackett         12    90     11:16.06   5:22.05

 

Samantha Nadel (North Shore)

Class B ... Class B could be a very interesting match-up between several teams that include:

East Aurora
Pearl River
Honeoye Falls-Lima
North Shore
Johnson City
Maine-Endwell

Although graduating some top runners, East Aurora returns a solid core of runners with excellent depth (and team depth may be their main advantage) ... they return with overall speed ratings of 108 or above:

                         XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                         ---------  --------   -------
 Catherine Phillips    11    122    10:25.31     --
 Megan Hulton          10    117       --      4:59.19
 Erin Crawford         12    113       --      5:18.40  (7:35.35 Steeple)
 Kirsten Weberg        12    113       --      4:57.0   (7:15.85 Steeple)
 Paige Pelton          10    108       --        --

Pearl River is returning a very talented group of young runners (and probably some new runners) and may be a real contender at States.

                         XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                         ---------  --------   -------
Chelsea Kushner        10    120    10:27.2    4:42.8
Kelli Van Houten       9     105    10:44.5      --
Kerry Guerin           10    105    10:41.2      --
Erica Guerin           10    104    11:14.6      --    (7:32.9 Steeple)
Keeley Bateman         9     93        --      5:09.1  (5:35.69 1600m)

Honeoye Falls-Lima has been good for many years, and 2008 should be no exception.

North Shore could be a real surprise with the addition of incoming freshman Samantha Nadel (photo at left)... I rarely speculate with new runners (and I'm not sure if she actually runs XC), but I very impressed with Samantha's 3000 meter race at States (10:16.91) ... Coupled with Brianna Welch, North Shore could have a very potent top duo (and a much lower score than projected above).

Johnson City and Maine-Endwell could have a very interesting race at Section 4 Championships ... Johnson City has some very good top runners (McKenna Coughlin and Lauren Mullins), but Maine-Endwell could have a tighter pack of scorers).

 

Tori Flannery (Bronxville)

Class C ... No real surprises here ... Last year's Class C champion Greenwich drops back to Class D in 2008 ... Bronxville may have been the pre-season even if Greenwich was Class C, therefore, Bronxville is the solid favorite entering the season ... Tully and Newark Valley finished behind Bronxville at States, and that's where they appear to fit starting 2008.

Bronxville
Tully
Newark Valley
Rhinebeck

Bronxville stats:

                         XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                         ---------  --------   -------
 Tori Flannery         12    124    10:13.54   4:46.71
 Caitlin Hudson        12    111       --      4:46.7
 Henrietta Miers       11    108       --      4:57.1   (7:21.9 Steeple)
 Olivia Bruton         12    102       --        --
 Amelia Phillips       8     ---       --      4:53.9

Tully is returning their top runners (Kelseigh Groth and Kelly Coyne) plus other team scorers, and should be getting some help from incoming modified runners ... Tully will need to run well just to beat Section 3 rivals Canastota, Skaneateles, CBA and others.

Newark Valley has the top Class C individual (Erin Cawley) and they return their entire team from last year's State meet (and I know they have some good young runners) ... Tully may be hard-pressed to beat them again.

 

Class D ... Greenwich drops from Class C to Class D and becomes the odds-on favorite IF all of their runners decide to run for Greenwich.
                         XC Rating   3000m     1500m
                         ---------  --------   -------
 Cady Kuzmich          10    132    10:48.69     --     (7:20.6 Steeple)
 Roxanne Henningson    11    130    10:12.48   4:46.86
 Brittney Lane         12    114    11:22.95   5:09.1
 Betsy Edinger         10    96        --      5:13.48
 Britney Henderson     12    81     11:35.0    5:34.53

 

CHSAA ... I left several CHSAA teams in the simulation just to see where they finished ... St. John Villa has slight advantage on St John the Baptist and St. Anthony's, but basically, these teams look fairly even-up to me (and Kellenberg was not far behind) ... Right now, the CHSAA appears very competitive.