Pre-Season XC 2008
Girls Teams - New York State 2008
Bill Meylan (August 6, 2008)
Girls - Potential NY
State Meet & Federation Contenders Pre-season team rankings have problems: ... first, they are usually based on last year's results ... more recent track results may or may not have relevance for the upcoming XC season ... some runners improve (some improve a lot) ... a few runners transfer or quit ... new runners can join a team and make a big difference ... So any pre-season rankings must be viewed in that context. What good are pre-season rankings? Once the XC season starts, I rank individual runners and teams based strictly on performance during the current season ... So pre-season rankings are not used during the season. For the most part, the teams listing below are just an extension of the 2007 XC season into 2008 ... I removed the graduating seniors and ran a variety of computer simulations with remaining varsity-JV runners from 2007 ... I made a few selective modifications such as adjusting a few ratings based on track results or prior XC results (but this was kept to a minimum). Initially, the list included 70+ teams, but I began removing teams with lower scores to make the simulations more manageable ... The final list below could easily contain other teams, but I was interested in certain teams and classes for the upcoming season (so some of the selections are based on my own interest). Remember ... this list is just an informational starting point at best ... I do it for my own use...
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Pre-Season Projection - New York Team Contenders Girls - 2008 Team Score Section-Class ---------------------- ----- ------------- 1 Fayetteville-Manlius 65 (03-AA) 2 Burnt Hills 90 (02-A ) 3 Saratoga 175 (02-AA) 4 Queensbury 180 (02-A ) 5 Shenendehowa 350 (02-AA) 6 East Aurora 390 (06-B ) 7 Suffern 440 (01-AA) 8 Pittsford Mendon 450 (05-A ) 9 Bronxville 470 (01-C ) 10 Arlington 480 (01-AA) 11 Northport 490 (11-AA) 12 Guilderland 500 (02-AA) 13 Ward Melville 510 (11-AA) 14 Pearl River 520 (01-B ) 15 Colonie 570 (02-AA) 16 Greenwich 590 (02-D ) 17 Valley Central 600 (09-AA) 18 Honeoye Falls-Lima 620 (05-B ) 19 Warwick Valley 625 (09-AA) 20 Shaker 640 (02-AA) 21 Syosset 680 (08-AA) 22 Cicero-North Syracuse 710 (03-AA) 23 Bay Shore 710 (11-AA) 24 North Shore 720 (08-B ) 25 Canandaigua 730 (05-A ) 26 Holy Names 765 (02-A ) 27 Johnson City 770 (04-B ) 28 Maine-Endwell 770 (04-B ) 29 Fairport 775 (05-AA) 30 Tully 790 (03-C ) 31 Newark Valley 800 (04-C ) 32 East Meadow 810 (08-AA) 33 Cornwall 825 (09-A ) 34 Geneva 840 (05-B ) 35 Monroe-Woodbury 850 (09-AA) 36 North Rockland 855 (01-AA) 37 Monticello 855 (09-A ) 38 Liverpool 860 (03-AA) 39 Baldwinsville 870 (03-AA) 40 Hilton 875 (05-AA) 41 West Seneca West 880 (06-AA) 42 Broadalbin-Perth 890 (02-B ) 43 St. John Villa 900 (CHSAA) 44 Niskayuna 920 (02-A ) 45 Horace Greeley 945 (01-A ) 46 Vestal 950 (04-A ) 47 Ursuline 995 (01-A ) 48 St. John the Baptist 995 (CHSAA) 49 Rhinebeck 1000 (09-C ) 50 St. Anthony's 1000 (CHSAA) |
Where did the scores come from? ... In part, the scores are a composite of computer race simulations using 2007 seasonal speed ratings ... a few speed rating ranges were altered based on track results ... I manually manipulated some numbers (because I wanted to). Assumption ... In 2008, there is a two-week gap between Federations and the NY-NXN Regional Qualifier (Federations are Nov 15th and Nike NY-NXN is Nov 29th) ... Last year (with no two-week gap), several teams skipped Federations and two of them were rewarded with trips to the NTN Nationals (Burnt Hills, Warwick Valley) ... With the gap this year, I expected all the top teams selected will race at Federations. Looking at NY State In General ... Fayetteville-Manlius and Burnt Hills are clearly the two top teams entering 2008 ... FM is the defending National champions and should be ranked #1 nationally when the first rankings appear ... Burnt Hills finished 5th at NTN Nationals last year, but were not at full strength due to injuries and sickness (a "healthy" Burnt Hills teams could well have finished 2nd). According to the numbers in the list above, a gap exists between the top two teams and next two teams Queensbury and Saratoga ... Saratoga has a slight advantage in the scores, but at this point, I think Queensbury and Saratoga look even-up all things considered ... Both teams are potential top ten teams at this year's NXN Nationals should they qualify or be selected as at-large teams. Another gap exists back to Shenendehowa and East Aurora with a smaller gap to a whole group of teams ... From Suffern (#7) to Pearl River (#14), I can see some separation, but not that much ... Looks fairly even to me with real race results necessary ... Interestingly, four of these teams are in Section 1 (Suffern, Arlington, Bronxville and Pearl River) - Who will be the top Section 1 team?? - Suffern gets the scoring advantage above, but that advantage in this large simulation is due in part to Shelby Greany scoring a very low number ... To an outsider like me, it looks like a "one-runner" pick-em (any one runner having an exceptionally good or bad race could make or break the team score).
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Class AA
... Fifteen of the top 23 teams above are Class AA teams (no surprise
there) ... Another No Surprise - 5 of those teams are from Section 2 ...
Throw in Burnt Hills and Queensbury (Class A teams), and I wonder which
Section in NY has the most quality?
.... The Top Class AA teams are:
Fayetteville-Manlius Fayetteville-Manlius ... Defending
National Champions ... The stats say it all (quality and depth). Shenendehowa ... Some
stats:
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Class A
... Burnt Hills is one of the best teams in the nation ...
Queensbury appears capable of finishing top 10 at NXN Nationals ...
and only one of them can go to the NY State Meet
... The Top Class A teams are: Burnt
Hills Burnt Hills ... By any
criteria, Burnt Hills has three top team runners at a national
level (Sam Roecker, Molly Pezzulo and Meaghan Gregory), and that puts
them in a very select group of teams with a real potential to win the
National Championship (FM is member of this select group as well)
... The stats below show that Burnt Hills is a deep team (FM
has the advantage at the XC rating level, but after that...) ... I look
for "specific markers" that predict potential improvement in track & XC
(and in combination with respect to XC) ... Burnt Hills is
projecting very high with these markers at potential #4 and #5 runners
... My "play-time" simulations not only have Burnt Hills running
even with FM, Burnt Hills was winning simulations
out-right ... However, the "real simulations" place FM as the
solid favorite because of their demonstrated ability at the #4 through
#7 positions in XC ... This season may be more interesting than some
observers expect ... Some
stats:
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Samantha Nadel (North Shore) |
Class B
... Class B could be a very interesting match-up between several teams
that include: East Aurora
Although graduating some top runners,
East Aurora returns a solid core of runners with excellent depth
(and team depth may be their main advantage) ... they return with
overall speed ratings of 108 or above:
Pearl River is returning a very
talented group of young runners (and probably some new runners) and may be a real contender at States. Honeoye Falls-Lima has been good for many years, and 2008 should be no exception. North Shore could be a real surprise with the addition of incoming freshman Samantha Nadel (photo at left)... I rarely speculate with new runners (and I'm not sure if she actually runs XC), but I very impressed with Samantha's 3000 meter race at States (10:16.91) ... Coupled with Brianna Welch, North Shore could have a very potent top duo (and a much lower score than projected above). Johnson City and Maine-Endwell could have a very interesting race at Section 4 Championships ... Johnson City has some very good top runners (McKenna Coughlin and Lauren Mullins), but Maine-Endwell could have a tighter pack of scorers).
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Tori Flannery (Bronxville) |
Class C
... No real surprises here ... Last year's Class C champion Greenwich
drops back to Class D in 2008 ... Bronxville may have been the
pre-season even if Greenwich was Class C, therefore, Bronxville
is the solid favorite entering the season ... Tully and
Newark Valley finished behind Bronxville at States, and that's where
they appear to fit starting 2008.
Bronxville Bronxville stats: Tully is returning their top runners (Kelseigh Groth and Kelly Coyne) plus other team scorers, and should be getting some help from incoming modified runners ... Tully will need to run well just to beat Section 3 rivals Canastota, Skaneateles, CBA and others. Newark Valley has the top Class C individual (Erin Cawley) and they return their entire team from last year's State meet (and I know they have some good young runners) ... Tully may be hard-pressed to beat them again.
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Class D
... Greenwich drops from Class C to Class D and becomes the
odds-on favorite IF all of their runners decide to run for
Greenwich.XC Rating 3000m 1500m --------- -------- ------- Cady Kuzmich 10 132 10:48.69 -- (7:20.6 Steeple) Roxanne Henningson 11 130 10:12.48 4:46.86 Brittney Lane 12 114 11:22.95 5:09.1 Betsy Edinger 10 96 -- 5:13.48 Britney Henderson 12 81 11:35.0 5:34.53
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CHSAA
... I left several CHSAA teams in the simulation just to see where they
finished ... St. John Villa has slight advantage on St John
the Baptist and St. Anthony's, but basically, these teams
look fairly even-up to me (and Kellenberg was not far behind) ...
Right now, the CHSAA appears very competitive.
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