October 30, 2007 ... Boys & Girls pre-race Projections for the 2007 Section 3 Championships
Please remember: the predicted scores below only indicate a possible outcome based upon individual runner speed ratings ... I used the top seven runners from each team as best as I was aware of ... one major problem with projections is knowing who will or will not be running on some teams (it can make a big difference) ... Predicted Scores were posted on October 30, 2007 ...
ACTUAL Scores added on Nov 3, 2007 (Comments on Nov 4) ...
Boys Class AA - Liverpool a slight favorite over Baldwinsville and FM |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Liverpool 60 Liverpool 56 2 Baldwinsville 67 FM 58 3 FM 67 Baldwinsville 66 4 CNS 100 West Genesee 105 5 West Genesee 141 CNS 113 6 Rome 153 Rome 172 7 Oswego 203 Auburn 184 8 Central Square 210 Central Square 205 9 Auburn 215 Oswego 222 10 Proctor 300 Proctor 254 11 Henninger 318 Corcoran 332 12 Corcoran 340 |
Post-Race Comments ... A real good race to watch ... When the runners passed me at the mid-point in the race, FM was leading since FM went-out fast, and Baldwinsville was close ... Liverpool was 3rd overall at mid-race (a ways back collectively in positions #3 to #5) and I did not think they would catch up ...But Liverpool ran a great last mile to come on and edge FM for the team title ... Steve Houghmaster (West Genesee) ran a smart race (as instructed by the coaches) and followed the leaders to the 2-mile mark before making the winning surge to win handily. Pre-Race Analysis ... The Class AA race is more difficult to predict this year due to limited race results from invitational races and league meets ... The large schools separated themselves from the OHSL to form their own league, and the new league decided to have no league championship meet in their initial season. Sometimes dual meet results are useful, but sometimes they are not the best predictor of championship races. To be honest, the limited results for some teams severely limits the utility of a computer simulation unless I make some "seat-of-the-pants" guesses ... So I guessed ... If my guesses are close (which is certainly questionable), three teams are potential winners of the Class AA race ... Liverpool enters the race as the favorite, and Liverpool is clearly the team to beat ... Baldwinsville has run very well this season, and is not far behind ... Fayetteville-Manlius is the mystery team; FM is reportedly brewing Harry Potter polyjuice potion and several of their girls will be running in disguise in the boy's race (just kidding). It appears the #4 and #5 runners for each team could be the real deciding factor in determining the winner, and I'm not certain how that will play out at this point in the season with the limited results and time gaps between meaningful races. Individual Race ... Bryan Picciotto (Liverpool) and Ethan Hickey (Liverpool) are the top rated Class AA runners entering the race ... Cory Greczyn (Baldwinsville) has run very well ... Steve Houghmaster (West Genesee) was the fastest Section 3 runner at the Manhattan Invite, and could surprise with a similar effort ... and somehow I think Paul Merriman (FM) and Alex Hatz (FM) are primed for big efforts.
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Boys Class A - To Close to Call (closest match-up of the day) |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Whitesboro 63 ESM 58 2 Watertown 64 Whitesboro 63 3 Jamesville Dewitt 68 Mexico 71 4 ESM 75 Jamesville-Dewitt 93 5 Mexico 103 Watertown 99 6 Fulton 138 Fulton 131 7 Nottingham 205 Nottingham 194 8 Carthage 223 Carthage 231 |
Post-Race Comments ... ESM got their improved performances and won with a great team effort ... Whitesboro ran generally to form ... Mexico put in a good team performance to finish 3rd ... ESM ran one-two individually with Jeff Sweeney and Nick Sadlocha ... Starting a team score with one-two really helps, especially when the #5 runner finishes close to everybody elses #5 runner ... Andrew Troast was ESM's #5 runner (his best speed rating was 122 entering sectionals and he ran 140 at sectionals ... that's the type of performance that helps win team titles)! Pre-Race Analysis ... Whitesboro is the defending Class "A" champion and has run very well in this race in recent seasons ... At the Adirondack Invitational last Saturday, Waterown beat Whitesboro (score of 91 to 107), but Whitesboro was missing Jon Szczesniak (who won the Class "A" race in the past two years); I assume he will be running on Friday ... The racing conditions and team make-ups at sectionals will be different than at Adirondack, but Watertown is still a co-favorite entering sectionals ... Watertown has had a real good season including a win at the Frontier League Championship race ... Jamesville-Dewitt is lurking close behind the top two teams and is definitely capable of winning this race ... With an improved performance here-and-there, East Syracuse-Minoa could spring an upset. Overall, this is a really tight race in the computer simulations and warrants a "To Close to Call" prediction ... Whitesboro has won the Class "A" race convincingly the past two years with some of the same runners returning this year ... They exceeded their predictions in previous years, and if they do that again, I expect them to win ... But the race is close. Individual Race ... Jeff Sweeney (ESM) enters the race as the top-rated Class "A" runner ... Evan Oustrich (Mexico) was very close behind Sweeney at both the OHSL Championship meet and Freedom League meet.
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Boys Class B - Westhill the favorite |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Westhill 56 Westhill 45 2 Grimes/Ludden 64 Grimes/Ludden 70 3 New Hartford 78 New Hartford 89 4 South Jefferson 84 South Jefferson 93 5 Marcellus 98 Marcellus 102 6 VVS 164 VVS 169 7 Chittenango 205 Homer 178 8 Homer 212 Chittenango 182 9 Oneida 257 Oneida 223 10 Cortland 279 Solvay 278 11 Solvay 286 Cortland 282 12 Phoenix 288 Camden 380 13 Camden 420 |
Post-Race Comments ... The race ran pretty much to form, although the gap between Westhill and Grimes/Ludden was a bit more than expected ... The individual race results were also to form at the top with Chris Stogsdill (Marcellus) winning, Andrew Corcoran (Westhill) 2nd and Sean Curry (Grimes-Ludden) 3rd. Pre-Race Analysis ... Westhill is the favorite over the newly combined Bishop Grimes-Bishop Ludden team ... Westhill beat Grimes-Ludden by a score of 108 to 132 at OHSL ... Westhill's advantage is team depth, especially at the #5 and #6 positions. Individual Race ... Chris Stogsdill (Marcellus) is the top-rated runner in Section 3 and the favorite to win the individual title; however, Stogsdill did not compete in the OHSL Championship race because he stepped in a mud-puddle (with a hidden-hole) the day before and twisted his knee ... hopefully, the injury will not prevent him from running well at sectionals ... Andrew Corcoran (Westhill) and Sean Curry (Grimes-Ludden) are also top-rated runners.
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Boys Class C - Tully a solid favorite |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Tully 60 Tully 45 2 Holland Patent 99 Jordan-Elbridge 83 3 Jordan-Elbridge 102 Holland Patent 96 4 Canastota 115 Canastota 116 5 Sauquoit Valley 155 Sauquoit Valley 160 6 CBA 170 CBA 176 7 Clinton 196 Clinton 206 8 South Lewis 217 South Lewis 230 9 Skaneateles 223 Pulaski 258 10 Pulaski 236 Skaneateles 284 11 Cooperstown 272 Cooperstown 297 12 APW 343 Ilion 357 13 Ilion 367 APW 373 14 Cazenovia 382 Cazenovia 379 15 Little Falls 425 Adirondack 442 16 Mount Markham 431 Little Falls 464 17 Adirondack 473 Herkimer 471 18 Hannibal 498 Sherburne-Earl 518 19 Herkimer 565 Hannibal 520 20 Sherburne-Earl 567 |
Post-Race Comments ... Overall, the predictions were good with Tully running slightly better than expected ... Jordan-Elbridge ran well to finish second ... Chris Burke (Tully) improves with every race. Pre-Race Analysis ... Tully is the solid favorite to repeat as the Class "C" champion ... Tully won at OHSL, and is the #2 ranked Class "C" team in NY State ... Holland Patent gets a close nod for 2nd over a good Jordan-Elbridge team. Individual Race ... This looks like a very close match-up among several runners ... Kevin Bronson (South Lewis) has been improving all season and running very well in recent races ... Chris Burke (Tully) is making his typical late season surge after a "minimal" summer season of running (beginning your training at Aim High Running Camp in August seems to work) ... Robbie Argentine (Canastota) could definitely win this race ... Jack Kelley (CBA) is also a contender.
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Boys Class D - Beaver River favored |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Beaver River 30 Beaver River 39 2 Weedsport 48 Weedsport 71 3 Fabius-Pompey 89 Fabius-Pompey 79 4 LaFayette 119 Oriskany 115 5 Oriskany 123 LaFayette 134 6 Westmoreland 185 Westmoreland 197 7 Cato Meridian 213 Cato-Meridian 232 8 West Canada Valley 279 West Canada Valley 248 9 New York Mills 285 Onondaga 250 10 Old Forge 286 Utica Notre Dame 283 11 Onondaga 292 New York Mills 293 12 Utica Notre Dame 327 Hamilton 299 13 Hamilton 363 Old Forge 314 14 Sandy Creek 404 Sandy Creek 349 15 Port Byron 405 DeRuyter 421 16 MPH 426 17 DeRuyter 434 |
Post-Race Comments ... The predictions were decent with Beaver River winning handily ... Mitch Miller (Morrisville-Eaton) ran very well to win with Chris Martin (Onondaga) second. Pre-Race Analysis ... Beaver River enters the Class "D" race as the favorite ... Beaver River finished a close 2nd (to Watertown) at the Frontier Championships and then beat Canastota and Sauquiot Valley at the Adirondack Invite ... Weedsport is not far behind and could surprise with a big effort. Individual Race ... Chris Martin (Onondaga) is running well and is the top-rated Class "D" runner in Section 3 ... Mitch Miller (Morrisville-Eaton) should make this a close contest.
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Girls Class AA - Fayetteville-Manlius |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 FM 16 FM 15 2 West Genesee 99 West Genesee 98 3 Baldwinsville 99 CNS 114 4 Liverpool 101 Liverpool 115 5 CNS 113 Baldwinsville 122 6 Rome 134 Rome 134 7 Proctor 194 Central Square 179 8 Central Square 229 Proctor 208 9 Auburn 261 Auburn 245 10 Oswego 261 Oswego 268 11 Henninger 318 |
Post-Race Comments ... FM was awesome (nine runners in the top 12 including the top five places) ... My predicted score of 16 almost came true when Molly Malone (FM) and Heather Vroman (Proctor) had a good stretch battle over the final 100 meters with Malone prevailing ... Hannah Luber (FM) looked phenomenal in winning ... There is good reason FM is the top-ranked team in the nation. Pre-Race Analysis ... Fayetteville-Manlius is the BIG favorite (I know that might shock some people) ... My biggest dilemma was to project their team score as 15, 16 or 17 ... FM is preparing for upcoming races, so I'm guessing they will be training through sectionals ... The results will be interesting to myself and observers around the State and nation ... FM is incredibly deep and talented, but currently there are some questions surrounding the top-ranked team in the US (questions involving injuries and current status of various runners which can only be answered through racing) ... Section 3 allows ten runners for each team to compete at sectionals, so the incredible team depth of FM should be demonstrated (upcoming championship races allow the normal seven runners per team). I found very little to effectively separate West Genesee, Baldwinsville and Liverpool in this particular race ... A stellar performance by any one of the teams could make them a candidate for Federation consideration. Individual Race ... Somebody from FM will win ... The question is who ... and I don't really know.
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Girls Class A - Whitesboro the favorite |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Whitesboro 38 Whitesboro 37 2 Jamesville Dewitt 51 Jamesville-Dewitt 51 3 Mexico 72 Mexico 65 4 ESM 99 ESM 87 5 Fowler 137 Watertown 122 6 Watertown 143 Nottingham 172 7 Fulton 165 8 Nottingham 229 |
Post-Race Comments ... The predictions were quite good ... Kelsey Peek (Whitesboro) and Eileen Cody (JD) ran one-two. Pre-Race Analysis ... Whitesboro is the favorite ... Whitesboro finished a close 2nd to Liverpool at the Adirondack Invite and won the TVL League Championship meet. Individual Race ... Eileen Cody (JD) and Kelsey Peek (Whitesboro) are the top-rated Class "A" runners.
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Girls Class B - Westhill gets the nod over V-V-S |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Westhill 57 Westhill 68 2 VVS 79 VVS 90 3 Homer 100 ** Homer 123 4 South Jefferson 130 South Jefferson 130 5 Marcellus 140 Marcellus 140 6 Phoenix 167 Chittenango 164 7 Chittenango 171 Phoenix 191 8 Cortland 182 New Hartford 198 9 Grimes/Ludden 205 Cortland 201 10 New Hartford 209 Grimes/Ludden 226 11 Solvay 279 Oneida 254 12 Oneida 293 Solvay 282 13 Camden 385 Camden 362 |
Post-Race Comments ... Race ran close to expectations. Pre-Race Analysis ... Perennial contender Westhill looks like a winner again (I said the same thing last year) ... Westhill finished 2nd at OHSL with a good effort ... Vernon-Verona-Sherrill (VVS) finished a close 2nd to Whitesboro at the TVL Championships and ran decently at the Adirondack Invite ... I'm not certain Homer will send a complete team to sectionals (they had only four runners at OHSL). Individual Race ... Carrie Carlton (Marcellus) has improved nicely throughout the season and won impressively at OHSL (following a very good performance at the Marathon Invite) ... Michelle Brandt (Chittenango) was a good 3rd at OHSL (and she ran well at the Manhattan Invite).
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Girls Class C - To Close to Call (Canastota & Tully) |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Canastota 50 Tully 47 2 Tully 50 Canastota 53 3 Skaneateles 99 Skaneateles 93 4 Sauquoit Valley 119 Cazenovia 119 5 Cazenovia 143 Pulaski 144 6 Pulaski 143 Sauquoit Valley 144 7 CBA 143 Holland Patent 182 8 Holland Patent 185 Jordan-Elbridge 244 9 Jordan-Elbridge 234 Ilion 245 10 Clinton 313 Clinton 293 11 Ilion 314 Adirondack 304 12 Adirondack 334 Little Falls 332 13 Little Falls 347 Cooperstown 336 14 Cooperstown 378 15 Sherburne-Earl 424 |
Post-Race Comments ... The race for the top two spots was very close as expected, but similar to many other races I've seen, "how" the scores resulted is somewhat different than predicted ... Championship races are interesting because at times, some runners step-up with career-best efforts when other team runners are unable to perform normally due to injury or sickness ... Tully scored as well as they did because freshman Caroline Edinger ran her best-race-ever when two other normal top-five scorers struggled with injury and sickness. Cazenovia put in real good performance to finish 4th ... Allison Lasnicki (Canastota) and Kelseigh Groth (Tully) ran one-two as expected. Pre-Race Analysis ... I spent a little extra time playing with the computer simulations for this race for obvious reasons ... One factor was apparent before running the simulations - most of the top teams have a significant degree of "inconsistency" with some individual performances ... And the computer simulations just loved that and various projected results were all over the place ... The results above are just an average (and close to projected scores using just the overall speed ratings for each runner) ... I also factored in the possibility that one of Tully's top five runners (Becky Bloom) could have either a good or bad race (Becky sprained her ankle at the ESM Invite and did not run at either OHSLs or the Marathon Invite). Tully beat Canastota by small margins at both the ESM and earlier Chittenango Invites ... Both Tully and Canastota raced at Disney but in different races (Canastota beat Tully in the merged results) ... Those results no longer count, but they indicate that both teams are very close in overall ability ... For this race, the #3 through #5 runners are very important ... and the placement of runners from other teams amongst the Canastota and Tully runners could be the key to winning or losing. Skaneateles could be much better than the score above indicates ... they beat Tully at Auburn, but have not been performing as well in recent races (Tully won by significant margins at both ESM and OHSL). Individual Race ... Allison Lasnicki (Canastota) is the favorite (she has been running very well all season) ... Kelseigh Groth (Tully) is coming on well and finished a very good 2nd at OHSL ... Depending on which team wins (Tully or Canastota), it could be an interesting scramble to see which five girls qualify for States as individuals.
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Girls Class D - Beaver River the favorite |
Predicted Actual School Score School Score ================== ===== ================== ===== 1 Beaver River 33 Beaver River 31 2 Remsen 67 Remsen 86 3 Fabius-Pompey 112 Weedsport 92 4 Weedsport 112 Fabius-Pompey 95 5 Utica Notre Dame 133 Utica Notre Dame 97 6 LaFayette 145 LaFayette 120 7 Cato Meridian 204 Cato-Meridian 207 8 Old Forge 232 Port Byron 237 9 Port Byron 259 Waterville 252 10 Oriskany 298 New York Mills 282 11 West Canada Valley 308 Oriskany 286 12 Waterville 314 13 New York Mills 323 14 Westmoreland 336 |
Post-Race Comments ... The race ran reasonably close to expectations with Beaver River and Remsen running 1st and 2nd ... Christine Mulvihill (Remsen) won easily as expected. Pre-Race Analysis ... Beaver River is the solid favorite to re-claim the Class "D" title ... LaFayette won last year when Kelseigh Groth (now at Tully) was running for them, and LaFayette just missed winning States. Individual Race ... Christine Mulvihill (Remsen) is the solid favorite to win.
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