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NYSPHSAA State Meet 2007 - Predictions & Preview |
Please remember: the predicted scores below only indicate a possible outcome based upon individual runner speed ratings ... they are only one indication of team strength. I used the top seven runners from each team as best as I was aware of ... one major problem with projections is knowing who will or will not be running on some teams (it can make a big difference) ... Predicted Scores were posted on November 5, 2007 ... Actual scores will be posted side-by-side after the meet ... GIRLS Class B Updated Nov 8th ... ACTUAL Scores & Comments Added Nov 11, 2007 |
Computer Simulated Races ... Throughout these predictions, I will mention computer simulated races ... As a brief explanation of computer simulated races, I use the seasonal speed ratings for every runner in a race and derive a profile (a range distribution that the runner has been running with emphasis on recent races) ... to simulate a race, the computer randomly selects any point on each runner's profile range (using a random number generator) and compiles the results for that race ... since there are many possible random outcomes, the simulation runs hundreds of thousands of random races and saves the results ... when complete, the total simulation shows the percentage of races won by any team and an average outcome with team scores ... the overall simulation includes individual race results where any team has great performances, average performances and poor performances ... In general, the average team scores are close to scores predicted using the overall speed ratings from the individual rankings - but simulations give a sense of variability and possibilities (and I like doing them). |
Boys Class AA - Warwick Valley favored over Shenendehowa |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Warwick Valley (09) 50 Warwick Valley 41 2 Shenendehowa (02) 70 Shenendehowa 61 3 Arlington (01) 91 Smithtown 116 4 Smithtown (11) 96 Ithaca 130 5 Liverpool (03) 124 Liverpool 134 6 Ithaca (04) 157 Arlington 139 7 Penfield (05) 157 Penfield 147 8 Clarence (06) 173 Clarence 184 9 Port Washington (08) 241 Port Washington 239 |
Post-Race Comments ... Warwick Valley beat Shenendehowa by 20 points as predicted ... Ithaca raced well to finish 4th and Arlington did not have a good race ... Other than that, the Class AA race ran close to form. Pat Dupont (Fairport), Giovanni Signoretti (Smithtown) and Julian Sheinbaum (Scarsdale) ran one-two-three as expected. Pre-Race Analysis ... Computer simulated races are usually helpful in determining team strengths and weaknesses within a specific race ... The importance of "other team runners" (from teams not expected to vie for the win) is occasionally a major factor in the final team scoring, and that could be a factor in the Class AA team outcome, and simulations are helpful in this regard ... Another consideration is that computer simulated races can be "fooled" somewhat when more than one the top team contains a "pack" of closely rated runners ... With respect to speed rating ranges, Warwick Valley has six runners in the range of 176 to 180 (only a 12 second spread) ... Shenedehowa has six runners between 172 and 180 ... Arlington has four runners between 174 and 180, and Smithtown has three runners between 175 and 172 plus a runner that might win the team race ... and other teams have multiple runners in the same "pack" range. Warwick Valley and Shenendehowa get their scoring advantage from team depth (especially at the #5 and #6 positions) ... Without any intervention on my part, the median computer simulated score was closer to Warwick Valley-40 and Shenendehowa-80 (as opposed to the 50-70 prediction above) ... But experience suggests that "packs" generally spread-out somewhat these races, so I "extended" some individual ranges for a final simulation, and that's what shown above. Experienced horseplayers know there is a big difference between (1) predicting the outcome of a race and (2) betting on the outcome of a race ... In the words of speed figure guru Andrew Beyer, "Are you willing to bet the rent money??" ... For this Class AA cross country race, I would hold on to the rent money ... Somehow I think it's closer than might be expected ... Top performances by the #5 runner of either Arlington or Smithtown put them right into the mix (and both teams won small percentages of the computer simulations) ... Warwick Valley is the favorite based on speed ratings, but Shenendehowa is not far behind, and if their "pack" improves just slightly, the race gets real close. Individual Race ... The current Class AA individual rankings have 25 runners with overall speed ratings between 189 and 179 (that's 25 guys within a 30 second time gap), and 53 runners between 180 and 172 (24 second gap) ... not all are at States, but the finish-line chute could be filling up fast ... I anticipate a good race for the top spot between Pat Dupont (Fairport), Giovanni Signoretti (Smithtown) and Julian Sheinbaum (Scarsdale) ... Demetri Goutos (Saratoga) has come-on very well this season and could surprise the top trio ... David Frankel (Syosset) and Kevon Carter (Valley Stream Central) ran well at the Section 8 qualifier.
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Boys Class A - Queensbury handily - again |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Queensbury (02) 45 Queensbury 34 2 Pittsford Mendon (05) 79 Pittsford Mendon 73 3 Cornwall (09) 96 Wantagh 101 4 Wantagh (08) 105 Cornwall 106 5 Somers (01) 113 Somers 129 6 Hauppauge (11) 165 Hauppague 147 7 East Syracuse-Minoa (03) 179 East Syracuse-Minoa 158 8 Hamburg (06) 212 Union Endicott 203 9 Union Endicott (04) 213 Hamburg 228 10 Massena (10) 316 Massena dnr |
Post-Race Comments ... The Class"A" race ran close to predicted form team-wise with Queensbury dominating and Pittsford Mendon second ... Individually, Kyle Merber (Half Hollow Hills West) opened the winning margin in the final mile to win handily with Brendan Devine (Monticello) running very well to finish 2nd over Zach Rivers (Victor) 3rd and Matt Flint (Queensbury) 4th. Pre-Race Analysis ... Queensbury won the Class A Championship the past two years and are the solid favorite once again ... Queensbury remains deep and talented through all seven runners ... Queensbury is currently the #3 ranked team in the NTN-NY Regional rankings (behind Shenendehowa and Warwick Valley). Pittsford Mendon gets the call for
runner-up, but Cornwall, Wantagh and Somers are not
far behind. Class A has some other very good and competitive runners ... Evan Tsembelis (Grand Island) has been improving throughout the season ... Brendan Devine (Monticello), Matt Flint (Queensbury), Colin Anderson (Cornwall) and Zack Ball (Kenmore East) have all run well.
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Boys Class B - Shoreham-Wading River favored |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Shoreham-Wading Riv (11) 58 Shoreham-Wading Riv 55 2 Honeoye Falls-Lima (05) 71 East Aurora 76 3 East Aurora (06) 88 Honeoye Falls-Lima 86 4 Red Hook (09) 98 Red Hook 105 5 Westhill (03) 132 Pearl River 141 6 Pearl River (01) 150 Westhill 152 7 Valley Stream North (08) 186 Ichabod Crane 171 8 Plattsburgh (07) 200 Valley Stream North 188 9 Windsor (04) 200 Windsor 195 10 Ichabod Crane (02) 225 Plattsburgh 210 11 Ogdensburg (10) 328 Ogdenburg 340 |
Post-Race Comments ... Shoreham-Wading River won pretty much as expected ... East Aurora ran well to finish 2nd over Honeoye Falls-Lima ... Ichabod Crane demonstrated that a Section 2 team should not predicted to finish 10th ... Individually, a great stretch-run finish between winner Alex Deir (Honeoye Falls-Lima) and Chris Stogsdill (Marcellus). Pre-Race Analysis ... Shoreham-Wading River enters the Class B race as the favorite ... Their one big advantage over the other teams is team depth (especially at the #5 through #7 positions) ... Honeoye Falls-Lima always seems to race better at States than the predictions, so this race may be closer than the predicted score above ... East Aurora and Red Hook appear very close for the 3rd spot. Individual Race ... Chris Stogsdill (Marcellus) is the slight favorite; Chris ran well at sectionals despite the freak knee-injury suffered before the league champion meet ... Within striking distance are Alex Deir (Honeoye Falls-Lima), Mike Hickey (Pearl River), Bobby Andrews (Shoreham-Wading River), Max Straneva (Chenango Valley, who beat Stogsdill at the Marathon Invite), and Andrew Corcoran (Westhill).
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Boys Class C - Close Match-Up (Newark Valley vs. Tully) |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Newark Valley (04) 53 Newark Valley 37 2 Tully (03) 57 Tully 42 3 Voorheesville (02) 119 Voorheesville 119 4 Wilson (06) 124 Wilson 141 5 Irvington (01) 135 Irvington 156 6 Rhinebeck (09) 140 Rhinebeck 164 7 Norwood-Norfolk (10) 171 Port Jefferson 189 8 Port Jefferson (11) 173 Norwood-Norfolk 194 9 Bath-Haverling (05) 185 Oyster Bay 210 10 Oyster Bay (08) 225 Bath-Haverling 221 11 Saranac Lake (07) 270 Saranac Lake 265 |
Post-Race Comments ... The Class "C" race ran close to form with Newark Valley edging Tully by 5 points ... Individually, Colby Delbene (Pawling) won handily with Jamie Vavra (Newark Valley) holding off Chris Burke (Tully) for 2nd. Pre-Race Analysis ... This could be a very close race between top-ranked Newark Valley and Tully ... The two teams raced head-to-head at the Marathon Invite with Newark Valley prevailing handily by a score of 60-97 ... But a NY State Class race can be something of a "different animal" since there is a maximum of only 77 team runners and typically, only a few teams are really competitive for the top spot which makes the team scores closer at the top, and that helps Tully in the simulations. Tully has been getting some improved performances in recent races and that helped close the gap with Newark Valley ... An important factor could well be the performance of Tully's Ohure Sam (Sam is his last name) ... Ohure is another of Tully's "Boys from the Sudan" ... Ohure has his good days and his bad days with respect to racing due, in large part, to injuries suffered in the Sudan ... I first met Ohure last year at early season practice when Scott VanderMolen was holding a big ice bag on Ohure's knee (he took an arrow through the knee as a child in the Sudan, and I can only wonder how much scar tissue is in there); but an old back injury has been bothering Ohure more this season and it is obvious he is running in pain ... his speed ratings vary from 146 to 169 and he might the #2 runner in a race or the #6 runner ... If we see Ohure finishing up close at States, Tully's prospects will take a big step forward. Last year, Tully won the Class C
title and finished 9th in the merged team scoring which automatically
qualified them for Federations ... I won't be surprised if the winner
of this race does the same and auto-qualifies for Feds ... some teams
from the larger classes that look stronger on paper entering States do
not run well at States which helps the smaller school winners in the
merge.
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Boys Class D - Beaver River favored |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Beaver River (03) 55 Beaver River 49 2 Stony Brook (11) 79 Pavilion 70 3 Pavilion (05) 85 Stony Brook 101 4 Ticonderoga (07) 89 Barker 111 5 Barker (06) 110 Ticonderoga 118 6 Groton (04) 125 Groton 149 7 Schenectady Chr (02) 142 Schenectady Chr 181 8 Tupper Lake (10) 220 Keio Academy 203 9 Keio (01) 250 Tupper Lake 203 10 John A. Coleman (09) 260 John A Coleman 246 |
Post-Race Comments ... Beaver River won the Class "D" race as expected ... Pavilion finished 2nd with Stony Brook 3rd ... Individually, Lee Berube (Ticonderoga) opened a quick, early, sizeable lead and won by 45 seconds with part of race looking like a tempo run. Pre-Race Analysis ...
Beaver River is the favorite
based, in large part, on team depth compared to the other teams in the
race.
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Girls Class AA - FM looking strong with Saratoga second |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Fayetteville-Manlius (03) 38 Fayetteville-Manlius 23 2 Saratoga (02) 54 Saratoga 71 3 Warwick (09) 92 Warwick 90 4 Ward Melville (11) 117 Ward Melville 121 5 Arlington (01) 124 Arlington 132 6 Hilton (05) 139 Hilton 138 7 Corning (04) 175 Corning 163 8 East Meadow (08) 198 East Meadow 190 9 West Seneca West (06) 205 West Seneca West 222 |
Post-Race Comments ... Fayetteville-Manlius was just plain awesome ... Overall, the predictions were very close to form ... Individually, Hannah Davidson (Saratoga) won with Shelby Greany (Suffern) 2nd as expected ... Then came a parade of four FM runners (Courtney Chapman, Mackenzie Carter, Hannah Luber and Molly Malone. Pre-Race Analysis ... Only nine teams in the race, but exceptional quality ... Fayetteville-Manlius is the defending national NTN Champion and #1 ranked team in the US ... Saratoga is the #4 ranked team in the US and Warwick Valley is the #25 ranked team in the US ... Ward Melville and Arlington have been running very well, and Hilton finished second at NTN last year. Fayetteville-Manlius may have the second-best team in NY history with respect to team depth (only the 2004 Saratoga team with four Footlocker Finalists was deeper) ... and maybe we haven't seen the best of this FM team since last year's top runners are coming off injuries (Kathryn Buchan, ankle injury in first invitational; Mackenzie Carter, plantar fasciitis) ... The addition of first-year runner Hannah Luber and Jocelyn Richards give FM an incredibly strong team (taking the top five places at sectionals is quite a feat). Saratoga is a very good team with excellent strength up front (Hannah Davidson and Cassie Goutos) and good team depth ... Their only loss of the season came at Manhattan (to FM). Individual Race ... Hannah Davidson (Saratoga) and Shelby Greany (Suffern) are both returning Footlocker Finalists and both are running well again this season ... Warwick Valley's top duo of Tori Pennings and Lillian Greibesland have been running well as have Cassie Goutos (Saratoga) and Kate Rosettie (Corning). It will be interesting to see where the Fayetteville-Manlius girls insert themselves against this excellent field of competitors on a true 5K course (the 4K results from Manhattan may not be a good indication) ... Hannah Luber was very impressive at sectionals and seemed to run well-within herself setting the pace for most of the race ... Kathryn Buchan ran what appeared (to me) to be a very good training race; she finished strongly along-side team mate Courtney Chapman ... Mackenzie Carter definitely ran better than the earlier race at Jamesville Beach when her foot was obviously bothering her.
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Girls Class A - Burnt Hills solid favorite |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Burnt Hills (02) 29 Burnt Hills 31 2 Pittsford Mendon (05) 86 Pittsford Mendon 83 3 Ursuline (01) 99 Ursuline 87 4 Cornwall (09) 100 Cornwall 106 5 Mepham (08) 140 Vestal 147 6 Vestal (04) 142 Mepham 149 7 Kings Park (11) 179 Whitesboro 171 8 Starpoint (06) 188 Starpoint 188 9 Whitesboro (03) 188 Kings Park 210 |
Post-Race Comments ... The Class "A" race ran close to form with Burnt Hills winning easily ...And Burnt Hills was missing two top runners, Meagan Gregory (as noted in the prediction) and Molly Pezzulo (Burnt Hills) who did not race due to a calf injury (that's all I heard ... I don't know her status for future races) ... Section 3 Whitesboro finished 7th (better than the 9th prediction). Individually, one of the best finishes of the day ... Emily Lipari (Roslyn) led the race early, but Sam Roecker (Burnt Hills) took the lead with Lipari following much of the race ... leaving the woods for the final time, Roecker had maybe a 20 meter lead and maintained the lead entering the final stretch-run ... Lipari closed strongly in the final uphill section of the stretch to win. Pre-Race Analysis ... This is the last race of the day (1:40pm start-time) ... Burnt Hills is the #7 ranked team in the nation (The Harrier Magazine) and reigning Class A Champion ... Burnt Hills is the overwhelming favorite ... Unfortunately, Burnt Hills will not have Meagan Gregory in the line-up (she has been out for a while due to "mono" ... according to the Schenectady Daily Gazette, Gregory has started running again and MAY be available at the end of the season). Pittsford Mendon is predicted to
finish second ... After all, they ran Fayetteville-Manlius head-to-head
at the Chittenango Invitational and Pittsford Mendon won the race
(so what if FM was disqualified - details, details)
... Both Ursuline and Cornwall are close, and either could
grab the runner-up spot with top performances.
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Girls Class B - East Aurora solid favorite |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 East Aurora (06) 43 East Aurora 36 2 Honeoye Falls-Lima (05) 79 Honeoye Falls-Lima 75 3 Pearl River (01) 95 Pearl River 107 4 Broadalbin-Perth (02) 116 Shoreham-Wading Riv 110 5 North Shore (08) 137 Broadalbin-Perth 131 6 Shoreham Wading Riv (11) 138 North Shore 140 7 Johnson City (04) 164 Johnson City 155 8 Westhill (03) 180 Westhill 188 9 Onteora (09) 225 Onteora 232 10 Franklin (Malone) (10) 260 Franklin (Malone) 271 11 Peru (07) 277 Peru 298 |
Post-Race Comments ... East Aurora won handily as expected with Honeoye Falls-Lima 2nd and Pearl River 3rd ... Individually, Catherine Lusardi (East Aurora) won handily with Brianna Welch (North Shore) barely edging Jenna Hulton (East Aurora) for 2nd. Pre-Race Analysis ... East Aurora is the two-time defending Class B champion ... Prior to that, Honeoye Falls-Lima had a string of State titles that stretched back to 1998 ... East Aurora is currently the #6 ranked team in NY State (all-classes according to the NTN regional rankings), and they have been running very well in recent races ... the only teams that beat East Aurora this season are two of the best teams in the nation (Fayetteville-Manlius and Burnt Hills at the McQuaid Invitational) ... East Aurora enters the Class B race as an odds-on favorite. Nov 8 Update ... I was just informed that Paige Mullins (Johnson City, 2nd at last year's States) is out for the rest of the season due to a stress fracture ... The scores above have been modified to include this change. With respect to team scoring, Johnson City and Honeoye Falls-Lima seem very evenly matched in this particular race (before the scratch of Paige Mullins) ... Johnson City has a distinct advantage at the top-end and might possibly have two runners finish ahead of Honeoye's first finisher, but Honeoye could pack-in all five of their scorers in time to finish second ... Pearl River has been improving throughout the season, and legendary Coach Dan Doherty might have his team primed to better the predicted score (Pearl River has won 29 consecutive sectional titles). Individual Race ... Catherine Lusardi (East Aurora) enters the race as a slight favorite over Section 6 rival Jaime Wallace (Alden) and team-mate Jenna Hulton (East Aurora) ... Brianna Welch (North Shore) is the runner who could spring an upset; Welch is one of the top 800m (and 1500m) runners in the State and has popped some very good XC performances; if she's close entering the stretch-run, look-out.
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Girls Class C - Greenwich the favorite over Bronxville |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Greenwich (02) 25 Greenwich 20 2 Bronxville (01) 49 Bronxville 56 3 Tully (03) 117 Tully 101 4 Tri-Valley (09) 119 Newark Valley 119 5 Newark Valley (04) 120 Tri Valley 149 6 Norwood-Norfolk (10) 151 Akron 166 7 Akron (06) 170 Norwood-Norfolk 188 8 Saranac Lake (07) 182 Saranac Lake 196 9 Dansville (05) 212 Dansville 212 10 Hampton Bays (11) 317 Hampton Bays 302 11 East Rockaway (08) 317 East Rockaway 318 |
Post-Race Comments ... The Class "C" race also ran pretty close to the expectations with Greenwich winning handily, Bronxville 2nd and Tully 3rd ... Individually, Caitlin Lane (Greenwich) won by holding off the season-best performance of Erin Cawley (Newark Valley) ... Caitlin Lane (and sister Brittney Lane) almost missed the meet as their grandfather passed away earlier in the week and they were attending the downstate funeral (Joe Pipia had never missed any of Caitlin's races). Pre-Race Analysis ... Greenwich and Bronxville are two really good Class C teams ... Greenwich is currently the #17 ranked team in the nation (The Harrier Magazine) making me wish Tully had eleven fewer student so we could be Class D and have a shot at a State title... Greenwich has been popping some mighty impressive ratings in recent races and should be considered an odds-on favorite ... Bronxville has been improving and will likely finish well in the merged results and receive a Federation bid. Tully, Tri-Valley and
Newark Valley seem very evenly matched ... Tully and
Tri-Valley raced head-to-head at the Disney Invitational with
Tully winning ... Tully finished a few points ahead of
Newark Valley at the Marathon Invitational ... Tri-Valley and
Newark Valley have been running well recently races ... Tully
will not have the services of Becky Bloom who sprained an ankle at the
ESM Invite (she was the #3 or #4 runner through much of the season);
fortunately, Tully's freshman trio (Caroline Edinger, Erica Cole and
Taillear Denick) responded well at sectionals allowing Tully to
make States ... The #4 and #5 runners will likely determine which team
takes 3rd-place to the top two teams.
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Girls Class D - Very Close Race (Beaver River slight favorite) |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Beaver River (03) 68 Geneseo 70 2 Duanesburg (02) 72 Duanesburg 75 3 Geneseo (05) 75 Beaver River 77 4 Maple Grove (06) 99 Maple Grove 103 5 Seton Catholic (07) 102 John A. Coleman 131 6 John A. Coleman (09) 125 Seton Catholic 139 7 Delhi (04) 158 Delhi 152 8 Tupper Lake (10) 201 Tupper Lake 161 9 Pierson (11) 228 Pierson 233 |
Post-Race Comments ... The Class "D" race was just as close as expected (only 7 points separated the top three teams in the prediction and actual score) ... Geneseo got good performances from their top runners and #5 runner to win ... Individually, Mary Kate Champagne (Seton Catholic-Plattsburgh) won easily, with Genna Hartung (Seton Catholic-Plattsburgh) 2nd and Amanda Mooreland (Bloomfield) 3rd. Pre-Race Analysis ... This could be one of the closest races of the day ... Each of the top three teams (Beaver River, Duanesburg and Geneseo) has strengths and weaknesses evident from the computer simulations ... Beaver River won a slightly higher percentage of the simulations because they appear slightly stronger at the #5 position which is very important in this particular race ... Geneseo has the strength at the top-end, and good performances at the #4 and #5 positions could mean victory ... Duanesburg has a good team "pack" ... Overall - Very Close. Individual Race ... Mary Kate Champagne (Seton Catholic-Plattsburgh) is one of best runners in the State and odds-on favorite to repeat as Class D champion ... Amanda Mooreland (Bloomfield) and Genna Hartung (Seton Catholic-Plattsburgh) could have a good battle to determine the runner-up spot.
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