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Federation Championship Meet 2004 - Predictions [and ACTUAL Scores] |
Please remember: the predicted scores below only indicate a possible outcome based upon individual runner speed ratings ... they are only one indication of team strength. I used the top seven runners from each team as best as I was aware of ... one major problem with projections is knowing who will or will not be running on some teams (it can make a big difference) ... Predicted Scores were posted on November 15-16, 2004 ... (Update Nov 17 - St. Joe-Buffalo added, a few scores modified) ... Actual scores will be posted side-by-side after the meet ... ACTUAL Scores Added November 21, 2004 |
BOYS Federation Championships 2004 ... ACTUAL Scores Added November 21, 2004 |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ===== ===== ================== ===== 1 FM 03-AA 59 FM 34 2 Lockport 06-AA 91 Lockport 152 3 Saratoga 02-AA 145 Burnt Hills 186 4 Chaminade CHSAA 209 Saratoga 208 5 Burnt Hills 02-A 236 Chaminade 223 6 Shenendehowa 02-AA 247 Shenendehowa 235 7 Monsignor Farrell CHSAA 254 Syosset 278 8 Warwick Valley 09-AA 261 Warwick Valley 310 9 Syosset 08-AA 262 Bethlehem 311 10 Bethlehem 02-AA 281 Sauquoit Valley 313 11 Niskayuna 02-AA 289 Rush-Henrietta 315 12 Somers 01-B 312 North Rockland 335 13 Rush-Henrietta 05-AA 348 Somers 336 14 North Rockland 01-AA 349 Monsignor Farrell 346 15 Queensbury 02-A 352 Frontier 351 16 Frontier 06-AA 362 Niskayuna 361 17 Ithaca 04-AA 405 Ithaca 370 18 Sauquoit Valley 03-C 440 Queensbury 391 19 St. Anthonys CHSAA 458 St. Anthony's 412 20 Fordham Prep CHSAA 461 Fordham Prep 453 21 Kellenberg CHSAA 462 Brooklyn Tech 464 22 Collegiate AIS 497 Collegiate 467 23 Brooklyn Tech PSAL 586 Kellenberg 529 24 Francis Lewis PSAL 665 Stuyvesant 572 25 Stuyvesant PSAL 666 St. Joe's-Buffalo 671 26 St. Joe-Buffalo CHSAA 692 Francis Lewis 687 27 Curtis PSAL 765 Curtis 705 |
POST RACE
Comments:
... Fayetteville-Manlius exceeded
all expectations and predictions - This was a benchmark performance ...
I did not think FM could exceed the performance of the 2003
Shenendehowa team at Federations, but they did - FM's team
average time of 16:15.2 (beating Shen's 16:26.3) is incredible ...
Lockport did not have their best race (but FM was too good
anyway) ... Burnt Hills ran well during the season and
exceptionally well in this race (they were 4th in the State Meet merge
the previous week) ... Sauquoit Valley exceeded expectations and
predictions - some teams are capable of "getting-up" for Feds and
running well (Sauquoit has done it in the past) - some observers thought
Sauquoit "snunk-into" Feds with a 10th-place finish in the State merge
(maybe Every NYPHSAA State Championship Team should get an automatic bid
to Federations) ... Individual Race - a whole bunch of
outstanding performances ... Ryan Sheridan made it look easy
in running the second fastest time ever at Bowdoin Park ... There were
13 guys at 190 or above in the speed ratings ... many PRs - I attribute
this to competition (runners willing to compete when the bar gets
raised) ... This was a great Federation Meet to have watched in
person (both boys and girls) - It doesn't get any better than this. Pre-Race Analysis ... As expected, Fayetteville-Manlius comes out on top in the vast majority of simulations - This assumes none of the top five FM runners run significantly slower than during the overall season ... Lockport is not that far behind (32 point spread) - exceptional performances by their #3, #4 and #5 runners make this a close race - and should one of the FM top five falter, Lockport could win ... But FM is the solid favorite overall. Last year, Shenendehowa won Federations with a total of 43 points (and a winning spread of 150 points) ... With exceptional performances, FM is capable of equaling the 43 point total (but the 150 point spread looks impossible because Lockport and Saratoga are too good) ... Shenendehowa had a team average time of 16:26.32 (under very good running conditions). This race has some similarities to the girl's race ... Runners from many top teams are clustered in the same speed rating ranges - meaning significant variations (large swings) are possible in the team scoring depending on how well individuals runners finish ... For example, the #5 through #11 teams above were switching places frequently during the simulations despite the 60 point spread in the final prediction ... one or two runners running well (or poorly) has a big impact on the scoring with this many runners. Individual Race ... Ryan Sheridan (Walt Whitman) is the favorite to win - he has been running very impressively in recent weeks and is now a top contender to qualify for Footlockers next week at Van Cortlandt Park ... Kevin Tschirhart (Northport) is reportedly skipping the Federation race to concentrate on Footlockers ... North Rockland's John Martinez and Carlos Jamieson have run some top performances this season including some fast times at Bowdoin Park ... Dan Busby (New Paltz) has been exceptionally good all season long, including the second fastest time at States (only 6 seconds behind Ryan Sheridan) ... Section 2 runners Brian Rhodes-Devey (Guilderland), Steve Murdock (Saratoga) and Dan McManamon (Shenendehowa) are solid contenders along with Kevin McDermott (Chaminade). |
GIRLS Federation Championships 2004 ... ACTUAL Scores Added November 21, 2004 |
Predict Actual School Sect Score School Score =============== ==== ===== ================== ===== 1 Saratoga 02-AA 24 Saratoga 22 2 Bay Shore 11-AA 147 Shenendehowa 142 3 Bethlehem 02-AA 152 Bethlehem 145 4 Hilton 05-AA 178 Bay Shore 148 5 Shenendehowa 02-AA 179 Hilton 151 6 CNS 03-AA 199 CNS 166 7 Columbia 02-AA 211 Ward Melville 231 8 Suffern 01-AA 213 Suffern 234 9 Ward Melville 11-AA 274 Honeoye FL 248 10 Honeoye FL 05-B 306 Pearl River 284 11 Warwick Valley 09-AA 310 East Aurora 301 12 East Aurora 06-B 341 Columbia 347 13 Queensbury 02-A 368 Warwick Valley 352 14 Pearl River 01-B 387 Queensbury 402 15 St. John Bapt CHSAA 408 Beaver River 420 16 Horace Greeley 01-A 432 St. John Bapt 462 17 St. Anthonys CHSAA 482 Horace Greeley 466 18 Nardin Academy CHSAA 490 Sacred Heart 478 19 Sacred Heart CHSAA 502 St. Anthony's 485 20 Beaver River 03-D 505 Nardin Academy 509 21 Kellenberg CHSAA 578 Kellenberg 573 22 St. Peters CHSAA 601 Boys & Girls 619 23 Boys & Girls PSAL 621 Mckee/SI Tech 646 24 Jamaica PSAL 640 Jamaica 667 25 Horace Mann AIS 691 St. Peter's 706 26 Dewitt Clinton PSAL 702 Horace Mann 745 27 McKee/SI Tech PSAL 715 DeWitt Clinton 760 |
POST RACE Comments: ... Saratoga won easily as expected and placed all five scorers in the top ten overall finishers ... The race for 2nd place was very close with Shenendehowa edging-out Bethlehem, Bay Shore, Hilton and CNS - The race simulations indicated a real scramble for 2nd and that's exactly what happened (as noted in the pre-race analysis, Shenendehowa was finishing 2nd in a fair number of simulations) ... The simulated gap between Honeoye Falls and East Aurora materialized as projected (despite the close finish at the State Meet the week before) ... Pearl River scored much better than predicted (seasonal PRs by their top two runners) ... Beaver River also scored better than predicted (maybe Every NYPHSAA State Championship Team should get an automatic bid to Federations) ... Individual Race - Incredibly fast performances by many runners - Nicole Blood and Aislinn Ryan destroyed the course record with remarkable times ... Hannah Davidson (3rd) keeps improving (and is a serious contender for Footlockers) ... Nichole Lister (South Jefferson), one of several more Footlocker contenders, ran well as predicted ... The biggest surprise was the 5th-place finish by freshman Kristen Reese (Carmel) - she's shown excellent ability in both track and XC, but this performance is a big PR ... The individual talent in NY is incredible.
Pre-Race Analysis ...
This is one of the most confusing races I've ever simulated
...
The only constant in the millions of races that were simulated is that
Saratoga won every race - even when I programmed in a random
occurrence where the top runner did not finish (for whatever reason) ...
There are several reasons for the confusion: The top teams in this race have many individual runners closely matched in terms of speed ... when variability is simulated in this race, many runners are rising or falling by typically 10 to 20 finishing positions from race to race and that really effects the team scoring. Here are some specifics ... Shenendehowa (5th above) finished 2nd in a fair number race simulations as did Hilton and Bethlehem ... I was surprised that Honeoye Falls had a significant gap on East Aurora when they were so close at States (both race and merge) - part of the reason seems to be HFL's top runner is constantly finishing above the large pack of evenly-matched runners, and that really helps the team score in this quality race. When Bay Shore runs well, they usually finish 2nd in the simulations (they did not run their best at States) ... But with possible NTN bids coming, this should be a great team race. Individual Race ... Nicole Blood (Saratoga) versus Aislinn Ryan (Warwick) Round Four ... Nicole Blood has a two-to-one lead in races won this season ... Nicole just won States at Chenango Valley and previously won Manhattan (2.5 mile race) ... Aislinn won the Great American in late September ... Bowdoin Park is quite different from the Chenango Valley golf course, but I'm not certain which runner Bowdoin Park favors this year ( Nicole Blood has run very well at Bowdoin in the past) ... If I were the odds-maker for this race, Nicole Blood would be the favorite based on recent race results. After Blood and Ryan, this race is loaded with outstanding individual talent ... Saratoga's Lindsey Ferguson, Hannah Davidson and Caitlin Lane will likely finish in the top ten (and Karyn Delay could be close) ... Nichole Lister (South Jefferson) blistered the VVS course at the Section 3 Championships (she was 7th at Federations last year and 9th at Footlocker NE) ... Laura Cummings (Bay Shore) is consistently good (she finished 4th at Footlocker Nationals two years ago) ... Katie DiCamillo (Holy Trinity) has been easily winning the CHSAA races (to go along with an excellent 4th at the Manhattan Eastern States Championship) ... Brittany Sheffey (Bellport) was an impressive winner at States (Class A), but is not entered to run. |